Originally by: Hardin

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The 'ignore them and they will go away' attitude changed when it was discovered that a number of Goon members had been making fun of the real life death of another EVE player. This incident was widely condemned by the majority of the EVE community but it particularly incensed the BoB
membership. Coincidentally this incident happened around the time Goons took their first tentative steps in 0.0.

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Originally by: Hardin

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As Red Alliance began to win back territory they made new friends. These included the Tau Ceti Federation (TCF) (...)

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn

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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 30/11/2007 19:00:11

Originally by: Hardin

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As Red Alliance began to win back territory they made new friends. These included the Tau Ceti Federation (TCF) (...)

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You need intel. :)

I'd say RA are one of our uncle (who was born before you per say).

-edit- Also, the RaGoons defeated LV. RSF was after their fall.

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Yeah as I said at start its not perfect and there are errors - for example as someone pointed out I got the Detorid thing wrong - and yes I have overlooked some things completely...

Maybe I will go back and revise it with the more constructive criticisms at another stage...

As I said before my point was really go give a 'feeling' to the war as it went back and forth not to be 100% accurate as I think that is impossible for any 'outsider' to be fully accurate at least not without spending several weeks/months reviewing old threads and interviewing the participants personally - which is a job I will leave to someone else (as I really don't have that much time ) - despite how it may appear...

Finally to the TCF guy ranting on about the whole 'death' thing of course it is not the only reason for the whole war and many other factors are now involved but it was certainly an important part in creating bad blood between Goons and BoB and that does have an influence on how things played out...

Of course we could all get in our time machines and speculate on potential outcomes in parallel universe

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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The early section regarding BoB uses a lot more subjectivity than many of the other sections with comments like "of course they..." and stuff like that. You could easily prune the more blatant examples and have a truer piece through there.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres.

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I'd fully agree with that comment, but also point out that it was coupled with a change in perception of Goons. They went from being a carefree, innovative alliance that posted some hilarious stuff (remember the 'little bee' animation to request larger alliances?) to storming the forums with Threadnoughts, RL abuse and borderline illegal spam. Whereas most felt goodwill to them in the 'old days' (myself included, belive it or not) they've squandered that goodwill and turned it to disgust.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Haha! Doomed to flames from the start, Hardin; a story so vast and involving so many conflicts and organizations...one miswording on each account and you'll have all the haters from each organization setting the record straight in their own colorful way.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 30/11/2007 19:43:38

Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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I think the key turning point is entirely in the change in perception of BoB, but that's hard to claim from a truly fact-based objective. How do you truly prove perception changes. BoB was viewed as an unstoppable force for a long time, the moment people (both inside and outside of BoB) started to realize that no, BoB might actually lose, there were huge ripples throughout many political spheres.

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The M.Pire turning point and the rift with MC also came with the realization that BOB can't possibly win. Now they are just living on borrowed time while the coalitions and other former friends jockey for control over strategy and the disposal of their space.

Speculation has moved on, to whether the BOB plan to cut its losses and static assets, and go mobile will keep the resulting smaller 700/800 man PvP alliance together, and how many of their 23 stations need to be succesfully sieged before they run.

Myn
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Originally by: fire 59

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Originally by: Amerame

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Edited by: Amerame on 01/12/2007 04:18:51

Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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I must be such a horrible and mentally unstable person for refusing to EVER laugh off such things like you wonderfully stable goons do.

You must be wonderfully entertained by all this. After all, you tell us all so often how you find these replys to be wonderfully funny.

Serious question: How SHOULD I be responding to someone dragging such crap into the game?

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You are, unfortunately, a whole lot less tolerant than any GS member. Your attitude of going ballistic and calling for Jihad over a poor joke can be compared to the ones of religious fanatics reactions over unfunny caricatures.

I might not find every jokes gs members make funny, nor would I be making that kind of jokes but I will certainly not take seriously something that is not supposed to be taken seriously, especialy in a video game. It is unfortunate that you fail to aknowledge people with different backgrounds, coming from different communities can look at things and think differently than you do.

Worse than that, you decided to take action in-game for a completely out of game reason. You decided to change the course of New Eden for real world reasons, more than anything this has destroyed the image of the "roleplaying BoB leadership". Do not come and whine when game players just want to get rid of you and forget the whole thing ever happened.

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I know you guys are allies but trying to justify mocking rl death is clutching rather desperately at some rather short straws. They took the mick , it was brought onto eve o, entire community was disgusted ( look up the thread if you doubt) and we went to war. Goons said sorry for a few seconds and that they were going to throw the guy out, and then backtracked and spammed the forums massively and took the mick out of it even more because it is 'funny', apparently.

They do it in local still and i have the pleasure of there, ahem, humour in local mocking rl death and it's puzzling as to what is so funny about it tbh. Comparing it to those idiots who blow stuff up in rl over a cartton picture of a make believe deity (my opinion) is over the top, locking up someone for naming a teddybear is nuts, getting angry because someone constantly takes the mick out of rl death......

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Originally by: fire 59

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The area only became empty after the super hard near invincible internet hardmen who fear no loss, um, died and ran off. You had plenty of ships but chose to remain docked and most simply ran into empire, and they got war decced there as well for laughs.

Although the internet means people can do whatever they want without repurcussions (upto a point, hello officer etc) , there are human beings behind the avatars who act and respond in human ways.Well, most anyway, goonswarm don't really fall into that category .

I wonder if the ones who find it hilarious would be the first to laugh about it to a family member of someone who passed, or pointed and laughed about it to someone down the pub.

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